Former ambassador on NATO's meeting in Ukraine and the ongoing war

Military representatives from all 32 NATO member states met in Kyiv. NPR's Steve Inskeep speaks with Kurt Volker, former U.S. ambassador to NATO, about the meeting and the ongoing war. Transcript STEVE INSKEEP, HOST: Military representatives from all 32 NATO nations met this week, and what is notable is where they met - Kyiv, Ukraine. They seem to be there to learn. Kurt Volker is following all this. He's a former U.S. ambassador to NATO and former representative to Ukraine in the first Trump administration. Welcome back.KURT VOLKER: Thank you very much, Steve. Good to be with you.INSKEEP: What are the NATO members learning?VOLKER: Well, I think the first thing they want to get a look at firsthand is the air defense situation for Kyiv and other cities during the winter. Russia has really stepped up its air raids against Ukraine to try to knock out the electricity grid and other heating and things during the winter. And I think they want to get a look firsthand how Ukraine is doing, how prepared they are for the winter, what kind of things NATO countries might need to do.INSKEEP: OK. That makes sense because we've seen these massive, much more constant air attacks on Kyiv, for examp...